“We continue to bleed red, blue, and orange:” The costs of the denial of the Armenian Genocide

Though Polish Jewish lawyer and drafter of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) Raphael Lemkin officially coined the term “genocide” in 1944, there can be no doubt that the Young Turk government’s deliberate and centrally-planned extermination of 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1917 should be labelled as such.[1] With the intention of purifying the region of Anatolia of its “cancerous” Christian population, the Young Turks undertook a series of “ethnoreligious homogenization” policies consisting of murder, mass rape, deportations, and forced death marches against hundreds of thousands of Armenians.[2] These atrocities fall under Article II of the CPPCG, which provides a definition for the crime of genocide: “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.”[3]

Yet, the classification of this crime as genocide has consistently been denied by the successive Turkish governments and a number of Turkish and non-Turkish scholars alike.[4] The reluctance of defining the extermination of Armenians as a genocide has also been widespread amongst the majority of the world’s states, with only twenty-two states officially acknowledging the Armenian Genocide.[5] The international community continues to suffer from what Lipmann calls “denial syndrome,” in which it is “reluctant to invoke the morally and politically significant term genocide” with regards to the Armenian massacres from 1915 to 1917.[6] This commonly-held denial of its reality as a genocide not only enables cross-generational trauma within the Armenian community, thereby preventing it from healing from its traumatic history, but its denial also allows for its repetition in addition to the continuation of other present-day and future genocidal episodes.[7] Before examining the consequences of denying the Armenian Genocide–which extend to the denial of all other genocides–it is important to consider the reasons for and the ways in which several scholars and the Turkish government have taken pains to utterly deny it themselves.

Hovannisian argues that “following the physical destruction of a people and their material culture, memory is all that is left and is targeted as the final victim.”[8] Thus, denial, by which the memory of a peoples’ physical annihilation is destroyed and forever forgotten, marks the final stage of genocide.[9] In the process of denial, eyewitness and survivor accounts are discredited, archives on the genocide are destroyed, and scholars supporting the actuality of the genocide are bribed and/or persecuted and executed.[10] Moreover, the perpetrators aim to reshape historical facts, exonerate themselves of all blame, and demonize victims, reversing the victim-perpetrator roles and claiming that they instead suffered at the hands of the other.[11] Such intentions for the denial of the Armenian Genocide transpire in the writings of Kamuran Gürün, Stanford Shaw, Justin McCarthy, and Heath Lowry amongst others, and in the actions of the Turkish government.[12] The denial tactics of the Turkish government over the years have included its scapegoating of Kurdish officials who were allegedly blamed for this atrocity following the First World War; its continued coercion of journalists and foreign scholars to write about “the other side of the story” since the 1960s; its disruption of genocide talks and conventions such as that of Tel Aviv in 1982; and most recently, its invitation to the anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli to 102 countries, including Armenia, which conveniently coincides with the centenary of the commemoration of the Armenian Genocide on April 24, 2015.[13]

Whether tacitly or explicitly, the denial of genocide may encourage further instances of genocide by the same perpetrators and by other groups.[14] Denial absolves the wrongdoers from responsibility for genocide; they are undeterred from recommitting the same crime, either towards the same victim group or to others.[15] A more recent instance of the Turkish government’s complicity in an an alleged assault on Armenians, according to the Armenian National Committee–International, occurred in March 2014 when Turkey was claimed to have played an active role in aiding al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups in their three-day attack on Armenians in Kessab, Syria.[16] The same logic applies to other possible perpetrator groups, who, in turn, are also empowered to make similar genocidal attempts, as they are guaranteed impunity like their Turkish counterpart.[17] In fact, Alayarian contends that, had the international community officially recognized the Armenian Genocide, the first genocide of the twentieth-century, and punished its perpetrators, the Jewish Holocaust and subsequent genocides could have been averted.[18]

The denial of the Armenian Genocide also prevents Armenians across the globe from fully healing from the cross-generational trauma that they continue to suffer.[19] While the present diasporans of Armenian Genocide survivors did not experience the Genocide themselves, they undeniably identify with their Armenian ancestors who were victimized a hundred years ago and who have orally transmitted their trauma throughout the generations.[20] Staub argues that the members of victims of genocide remain in fear of a future genocide, unable to trust the majority of the international community that failed and continues to fail to protect them by virtue of their denial: “They mistrust people and see the world as a dangerous place. They feel disconnected from the people and a world that has harmed them and, at the very least, has not protected them.”[21] If the world were to recognize the suffering that the Armenians endured from 1915 to 1917, Staub holds that they could begin to recover from their trauma.[22] If the perpetrators were to acknowledge their own pain and guilt, they could, in turn, also heal themselves, “stop blaming the people they harmed, […] and begin [assuming] responsibility for having harmed them.”[23]

On the eve of the Jewish Holocaust, when an aide had noted to Hitler that the world would not allow the Nazis to conduct a genocide against the Jewish people, he replied, “Who, after all, remembers the annihilation of the Armenians?,” suggesting that he could expect to get away with his obliteration of the Jews without any intervention on his inhumane actions and with the guarantee of impunity, as had the Turkish government in 1915-1917.[24] In the wake of the commemoration of the centenary of the Armenian Genocide on April 24, Armenians around the world hope that the entirety of the international community will fully acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, and in the process, deter those who continue to partake in Hitler’s and other genocidists’ thoughts and repair the wound from which so many have bled red, blue, and orange.

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References:

[1] Payam Akhavan, Reducing Genocide to Law: Definition, Meaning, and the Ultimate Crime (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2012), 6, 90; Aida Alayarian, Consequences of Denial: The Armenian Genocide (London: Karnac Books,2008), 8.

[2] Taner Akçam, The Young Turks’ Crime Against Humanity: The Armenian Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in the Ottoman Empire (Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 2012), 29.

[3] UN General Assembly, Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 9 December 1948, United Nations, no. 1021, 280, https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%2078/volume-78-I-1021-English.pdf (accessed 6 February 2015).

[4] Alayarian, Consequences of Denial, XXX, 8.

[5] “The White House and State Department Have Once Again Shown Their Fear of Turkey,” https://armeniangenocideblog.wordpress.com/tag/list-of-countries-officially-recognizing-the-armenian-genocide/, accessed February 8.

[6] Matthew Lippman, “Darfur: The Politics Of Genocide Denial Syndrome.” Journal of Genocide Research 9, no. 2 (2007): 195, accessed February 7, 2015, doi: 10.1080/14623520701368594.

[7] Alayarian, Consequences of Denial, XXVII; Richard G. Hovannisian, Remembrance and Denial: The Case of the Armenian Genocide (Detroit: Wayne State University Press, 1998), 229.

[8] Hovannisian, Remembrance and Denial, 202.

[9] Hovannisian, Remembrance and Denial, 201, 202; Sévane Garibian, “Taking Denial Seriously: Genocide Denial and Freedom of Speech in French Law,” Cordoso J. Of Conflict Resolution 9, no. 479 (2008): 487, accessed February 8, 2015, http://cardozojcr.com/vol9no2/479-488.pdf.

[10] Alayarian, Consequences of Denial, XXX; Lippman, “Darfur: The Politics Of Genocide Denial Syndrome,” 210.

[11] Hovannisian, Remembrance and Denial, 229.

[12] Hovannisian, Remembrance and Denial, 208; See Gurun’s “The Armenian File: The Myth of Innocence Exposed,” Shaw’s “History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,” McCarthy’s “Death and Exile: The Ethnic Cleansing of the Ottoman Muslims, 1821-1922,” and Lowry’s “The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story,” for examples of Armenian Genocide denial scholarship.

[13] Roger W. Smith, Eric Markusen, and Robert Jay Lifton, “Professional Ethics And The Denial Of Armenian Genocide,” Holocaust and Genocide Studies 9, no. 1 (1995): 1-22, accessed February 7, 2015, http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/content/9/1/1.full.pdf html. 5; Marvine Howe, “Turkey Denies It Threatened Jewes Over Tel Aviv Parley On; Genocide,” The New York Times, June 5, 1982, accessed February 8, 2015. http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/05/world/turkey-denies-it-threatened-jewes-over-tel-aviv-parley-on-genocide.html; Robert Fisk, “The Gallipoli Centenary Is a Shameful Attempt to Hide the Armenian Holocaust,” The Independent, January 19, 2015, accessed February 7, 2015. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-gallipoli-centenary-is-a-shameful-attempt-to-hide-the-armenian-holocaust-9988227.html.

[14] Smith, Markusen, and Lifton, “Professional Ethics And The Denial Of Armenian Genocide,” 14.

[15] Gregory H.Stanton, “The Eight Stages of Genocide,” Keene, accessed February 8, 2015. http://www.keene.edu/ksc/assets/files/10074/p_genocide_8stages.pdf; UN Human Rights Council, Report on the Question of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Benjamin Witaker, 2 July 1985, UN Document E/CN.4/Sub.2/ 1985/6, http://www.preventgenocide.org/prevent/UNdocs/whitaker/. accessed 7 February 2015.

[16] “Reports Cite 80 Dead in Kessab; Churches Desecrated,” Asbarez, March 24, 2014, accessed February 7, 2015, http://asbarez.com/121007/reports-cite-80-dead-in-kessab-churches-desecrated/.

[17] Alayarian, Consequences of Denial, XXX.

[18] Ibid.

[19] Ervin Staub, “The Origins And Prevention of Genocide, Mass Killing, and Other Collective Violence,” Peace and Conflict: Journal of Peace Psychology 5, no. 4 (1999): 303-36, accessed February 9, 2015, http://people.umass.edu/estaub/opcm.pdf, 308, 321.

[20] Ibid., 320, 323.

[21] Ibid., 320.

[22] Ibid., 321.

[23] Ibid., 321.

[24] Gregory H. Stanton, “The Eight Stages of Genocide;” “U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians,” Armenian, Assyrian, and Hellenic Genocide News, January 7, 2004, accessed February 8, 2015, http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20040107c.html.

24 comments for ““We continue to bleed red, blue, and orange:” The costs of the denial of the Armenian Genocide

  1. Jack Kalpakian
    February 14, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    More simply, we are forced to live as an unwelcome minority in the West and the Middle East and our right to transmit our identity is consistently maligned in both cases by the “host” societies.

    • Fatma Sarikaya
      February 16, 2015 at 12:45 am

      Just like the Turks who used to live in what is now the Armenian Republic or the Caucasus in general were wiped out by the Armenians in large numbers felt since those tumultous years of 1900… And they were not even the minority – but the majority…

      • Jack Kalpakian
        February 16, 2015 at 7:11 am

        In your world, we Armenians must be forced to pay for what Balkan and Russian governments did to you, and not only that you invent a Turkish minority in Armenia that did not exist to deny us even the small rump left. Thank you for showing this to the whole world here.

        • Marcus77
          February 17, 2015 at 12:09 am

          Most educated read real historian the world already know the truth that is why 100 years you struggle to prove something no one but few ignorant uninformed or have different agenda believes your lies or pretend to believe it for the Armenian lobby money, you are trying to buy a lie, false witness, that is why no real court proceedings gave you the okay. I think you guys told the lie so often now you really started to believe it LOL

          • Ergun Kirlikovali
            February 21, 2015 at 11:42 pm

            “…n some towns containing ten Armenian houses and thirty Turkish houses, it was reported that 40,000 people were killed, about 10,000 women were taken to the harem, and thousands of children left destitute; and the city university destroyed, and the bishop killed. It is a well- known fact that even in the last war the native Christians, despite the Turkish cautions, armed themselves and fought on the side of the Allies. In these conflicts, they were not idle, but they were well supplied with artillery, machine guns and inflicted heavy losses on their enemies….”

            Source: Lamsa, George M., a missionary well known for his research on Christianity, The Secret of the Near East, The Ideal Press, Philadelphia 1923, p 133

        • Marcus77
          March 13, 2015 at 9:58 am

          OHH I am sorry they are not Israel, attacking PA for what the Germans did to Turks, many Armenians armed and koin the side with Greeks and open the worst front when Turks were figting in 5, the one inside the country, how is that many Armenians stayed after the war, do you know how? bcz Turkish neighbors told to Turkish soildiers returning from war after winning the battle found their famlies massacared by the Armenian rebels, were so angry took revenge but the ones stayed in Turkey was protected by testomony of Turks beighborrs saying please do not hurt this framliy they never join in the killing, and Turks did not hram them, as you hear your grandma and their faulire of making ood in America was told lies to you as a child why they are poor and couldn’t make it in new land was the excuse Turks were the blame, we have grandmothers to so we read real history, yes they killed 500,000 Turks and now they lied, logical terms, after living with armenians for 700 years no one wakes up one day and says lets kill this group of people, especially when Turks allowed in their empire all kinds of religions and freedom to pray to any god they may , that is why when they had Jerusalem they never destroyed the religious quarters that included armeinan quarters, and they gave the Jews right to pray there also, so your grandparents are liars l am sorry , truth is not what they say as they are tow sides to a coin, get with your life save your next generations, old hatreds will always be more decremental than it is worth,

      • Marcus77
        February 17, 2015 at 12:06 am

        Bravo

  2. Orhan Tan
    February 15, 2015 at 5:48 pm

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  3. zubeyde
    February 15, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Armenian thesis depends on forgeries and falsified documents (http://www.ataa.org/reference/index.html#armenian, http://www.tc-america.org/scholar/falsehood-armenian-propaganda.html, http://tc-america.org/files/news/pdf/Erman-Sahin-Review-Article.pdf).

    One of these falsifications is a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler in which he
    purportedly responded to a query about his planned annihilation of European
    Jewry, by quipping: ‘Who, after all, speaks today of the extermination of the
    Armenians?’, on August 22, 1939, a few days prior to his invasion of Poland (Obersalzberg speeches).

    Contrary to Richard Hovannisian and other Armenians, the Nuremberg transcripts through their preservation of U.S.-29 (798-PS), U.S.-30 (1014-PS), and the notes of
    Admiral Boehm (which are corroborated by the relevant passages from the diary
    of General Halder), in no way authenticate the infamous Hitler quote. On the
    contrary, by establishing the actual texts of Hitler’s Obersalzberg speeches
    they demonstrate that the statement is conspicuously absent from Hitler’s
    remarks. The assertion that Hitler made a reference to the Armenians in any
    context whatsoever is without foundation. (Heath W Lowry, The U.S. Congress and
    Adolf Hitler on the Armenians, Political Communication and Persuasion. Vol 3,
    No 2, 1985 Crane, Russak & Company Inc. http://www.tetedeturc.com/home/spip.php?article565

    According to the Armenians the speech had been introduced as evidence to the Nuremberg Tribunal (L3 document, USA-28 document (www/cwporter/com/gl3.htm.) which was defined as ‘forgery’ (David Irving, ‘Nuremberg: The Last Battle’, 1996, p.100).

    A certificate dated, 25 June 1948 signed by Paul A Joosten, General Secretary of
    the International Military Tribunal states that L3, USA-28 Photostat document
    submitted as evidence has been withdrawn, in accordance with Rule 10 of the
    Tribunal but held in the National Archives.

    Mr Carlos Porter, who found these documents made the following important warning:

    ‘’Note:This translation attempts to retain the style and punctuation of the original,
    which is not correct in German: full space before colons and commas, no full
    space before following word. The document contains not one single sharp S (§ )
    a standard letter in the German alphabet. C.Porter.

    In 2004, the Viennese Armenian-Turkish Platform (VAT) was founded to exchange documents about the 1915 events by Austrian, Turkish and Armenian historians. After receiving 100 Turkish documents, the Armenians refused to send their documents which they promised, to the Turkish historians and afterwards the Armenian foreign minister told that they did not want to discuss the 1915 events with historians. The Armenian archives are still closed. Armenia refused the Turkish prime minister’s and the Turkish Assembly’s invitation announced on 13th April 2005 which suggested to establish a Joint Commission composed of historians from both sides and discuss the events which took place during the 1st World War. Turkey sent full page ads to five popular newspapers of the United States (US) calling on Armenia to
    ‘bring light the events of 1915 together with Turkey and to establish a joint
    commission composed of historians from both sides in addition to historians
    from other nations’, in April 2007.
    Have you ever seen a victim who passionately accuses somebody of committing crime andgiving him great harm but strictly avoids of bringing his proofs and going to
    court? And have you ever seen a criminal who persistently calls the victim to
    bring his evidences?

    If the so-called Armenian genocide thesis were true and if the Armenians did not fear of disclosure of their falsifications why did they threaten the 69 historians from the United States of America and Canada who published a declaration in American newspapers in 1985, telling that the events which took place around 1915 did not have any relationship with ‘genocide’ and why did they commit sabotage upon one of these historian’s house? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/16/armenian-crime-amnesia/ http://209.232.239.37/gtd1/ViewIncident.aspx?id=56624

    Why did the Armenians sue the famous historian Bernard Lewis in France, in 1993 just because he wrote in an essay published in Le Monde that ‘the 1915 events were not ‘genocide’ (Lewy G, 2005)?. If it were not a lie, why are the Armenians afraid
    of historical documents that much?Additionally would you please visit tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/arsiv_belgeleriyle_ermeni_faaliyetleri/pdf/yarbay_tverdohlebov.pdf; Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof. I
    wittnessed and I Lived Through Erzurum, 1917-1918. to see the massacres
    inflicted upon the Muslims and Turks by the Armenian themselves.

  4. Ergun Kirlikovali
    February 16, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    ANALYZING MISREPRESENTATIONS IN A GENOCIDE ALLEGATION

    Emma Noradounkian’s article is replete with errors, omissions, and misrepresentations. Those who wish to cut to the chase are welcome to watch this one-hour documentary, Armenian Revolt 1894-1920″, telling the other side of the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXHea26RDAY . This video exposes the heretofore ignored, dismissed, or forgotten facts about the genocide claims: Armenian terrorism, insurgency, revolts, treason, territorial demands and the Turkish and other Muslim losses suffered at the hands of Armenian nationalists.

    This artcile reminded me of the following observation made by Dr. Gwynne Dyer, a
    London-based independent journalist in 1976: “ The deafening drumbeat of the propaganda, and the sheer lack of sophistication in argument which comes from preaching decade after decade to a convinced and emotionally committed audience, are the major handicaps of Armenian historiography of the diaspora today.”

    The United Nations 1948 Convention on Prevention and Punishment of Genocide provides the definition of genocide and stipulates that

    a) genocide charges can only be litigated at a “competent tribunal” ;

    b) “due process” shall be followed in the proceedings, and

    c) “intent to destroy” shall be proven.

    Such was never done in the case of Turkish-Armenian conflict and no court verdict exists saying it is genocide. To call it one anyway would be defrauding the unsuspecting public that there is a genocide verdict when we all know that there is not. So calling it genocide would be a fraud.

    In a landmark decision, The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) unequivocally
    supported the above position in its Dec 17, 2013 verdict on Perincek vs
    Switzerland that “[t]he existence of a ‘genocide’, which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy toprove”.

    The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) added: “…(It) doubted that there could be a general consensus… given that historical research was, by definition, open to discussion and a matter of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the assertion of objective and absolute truths.”

    Thus, the ECHR created a legal precedent of inadmissibility of any comparison between the Holocaust and the Armenian claims; the latter lacks what the former clearly has: concrete historical facts, clear legal basis, and existence of the “acts (that) had been found by an international court to be clearly established.”

    “How can you be so sure that 1915 is genocide?” This simple but poignant question, posed by one of the presiding judge at the European Court of Human Rights to the lawyers of the Armenian side, sums it all up, doesn’t it? It is like “the king is naked” call of the “genocide industry”.

    The Armenian lobby can no longer hide behind “denier” accusations after The European Court of Human Rights issued its verdict in Perincek vs Switzerland that events of 1915 cannot be classified as genocide. Mutual suffering, shared pain, and fair memory are the operative words here that can lead to a joint narrative, peace, and closure.

    If photos are the chosen medium of dialogue, then how about this photo showing the bodies of more than a dozen Turks killed by Armenians: http://www.ethocide.com/contact.html ?

    Is that the proof of “Turkish genocide” then, where Turkish victims are murdered by Armenian nationalists?

    There are infinitely more photos like these on the Turkish side that have never been looked at, or dismissed out of anti-Turkish bias, in order to make the Armenian genocide charges stick.

    The article mentions “Young Turk government’s deliberate and centrally-planned extermination of 1.5 million Armenians.” Has the writer never heard of the term “millet-I sadika?” If she has, then she know what she writes is a deliberate misrepresentation. If she has not, then she should learn about it and apologize to the unsuspecting public for misleading them. The term means “the loyal nation” which
    was a term of endearment reserved for Ottoman Armenians. Far from being targeted for persecution, Armenians were revered in the Ottoman Empire and many held high level posts in the Ottoman government.

    What she cannot discern is that there two groups of Armenians: 1) the revolutionary elements 2) loyalists that stayed with the Ottoman Empire to the end. The former have established secret parties with goals of armed resistance to the Ottoman government (like Ramgavars, Armenakans, Hunchaks, Dashnaks, and others) and resorted to systematic violence undermining the Ottoman war effort. They were the ones targeted for TERESET (Temporary Resettlement order of May 31, 1915) while the loyalists were excluded from TERESET. Since the Ottoman armies were all dispatched to the distant fronts in all directions, the Ottoman government had
    insufficient security forces to deal with a widely spread and extremely violent Armenian insurgency.

    Turkey has admitted “mutual” atrocities have occurred and the Ottoman
    government is on record for trying its best to stop abuses of TERESET orders by
    Ottoman-Muslims. Turkey also acknowledges Armenian complicity in this tragedy, as Armenian revolts, treason, terrorism, territorial demands, and the resulting Turkish and other Muslim suffering wreaked havoc in Anatolia. No one is claiming Ottoman
    government is blameless; they may have been disorganized, inept, and/or
    unprepared for the scope and depth of potential issues, but that does not make
    them genocide perpetrators.

    If one reads Nalbandian’s “The Armenian revolutionary Movement”, one will know that Armenians were no innocent bystanders and that they were planning and executing bloody insurgency since 1862. Things got out of hand in 1914 when the Armenian nationalists killed “more than 120,000 Ottoman Muslims, mostly Turks, by decemebr of 1914” (Pope, Stephen, Wheal Elizabeth-Anne, The MacMillan Dictionary of the First World War, MacMillan Reference Books, London, 1995, Page 34.) That by comparison is equal to 2.6 million Americans today. For 3,000 Americans killed during 9/11, the US launched a global war on terrorism that lasted more than 12 years, cost more than a million lives (mostly Muslims) and over two trillion dollars. Can you imagine what would happen if some insurgents killed 2.6 million Americans? Do you think the US would stop at TERESETting (temporarily relocating) those
    insurgents like the Ottoman Government did? Or would Waco or Nagazaki be on the
    table? Be honest.

    I am the son of Turkish survivors from both paternal and maternal sides. My
    father was the sole survivor of the village of KIRLIKOVA–hence my family
    name–where the entire Turkish population of the village and the four
    neighboring Turkish villages were exterminated by Bulgarian and Greek
    irregulars, helped by Ottoman-Armenian cadets from the Armenian military
    academy nearby (www.ethocide.com . ) So where is my pain in the dishonest
    and racist Armenian narrative presented by Noradunkian above ? (Does she know that her namesake, another Noradunkian, was actually the foreign minister of the Ottoman Empire right on up to 1913? So much for “systematic annihilation” nonsense.

    What we need more than ever today is civilized dialogue and reasoned debate not
    cheap PR stunts and name calling.

    Peace,

    Ergun KIRLIKOVALI
    Son of Turkish Survivors From Both Paternal & Maternal Sides
    (So where is my pain in the Armenian narrative?)

    • Marcus77
      February 17, 2015 at 12:13 am

      Fantastic, this is the truth,Armenian haters should watch this, the ones the youth poisoned by their grandfathers should watch this so that their children do not become a victim in the future from this hatred

      • Ergun Kirlikovali
        February 18, 2015 at 11:28 am

        Also click on this link to see the Armeniansoldiers who exterminated the entire Turkish population of the village of KIRLIKOVA, my namesake: http://www.ethocide.com. My father, as a one-year-old baby was the sole survivor, perhaps because the Armenian murderers thought they had already killed him, too, and left him under a heap of Turkish corpses for dead. This is “the other side of the (bogus) Armenian Genocide” the Armenians are hiding from public.

        • chemkeeder
          November 21, 2016 at 12:01 pm

          According to a Turkish site, the ARF Military Academy in Bulgaria was located at Rila Monastery, about 125 km south of Sofia. The Monastery was 235 kms distant from Salonica, which you have said was nearby Kirlikova. So, we know that the Academy was nowhere near your ancestral village. 235 kms was a very great distance in 1911, and the path was hilly and at times mountainous.

          You also have claimed 18 years ago that the Moslems killed in Kirlikova were killed by “Greek butchery” alone:

          ” Take it from me. Look at my last name: Kirlikovali. It means “a person from Kirlikova” in Turkish. Kirlikova is the name of a little village near Selanik, which was under Turkish rule prior to the bloody balkan wars and which is now under Greek rule. This village was populated by ethnik Turks, like thousands of other villages around at the time. Turks clearly constituted the majority of population there. And yet, all I know about my grandparents, whom I never met or even known to have existed, thanks to Greek butchery and wholescale massacres, is this: In the year 1912, trains full of “Turkish babies” with few babysitters were making what turned out to be their last scheduled runs to Istanbul, capital of the Ottoman Empire at the time. Among these tiny passengers was my father… A little hand-written note was pinned on his tiny shirt: Akif’s son Ratip. Born 1911. Kirlikova. ” This is all I know about my father’s side… All the moms and dads, of course, stayed behind to defend their country against blood thirsty Greek invaders who betrayed against their motherland.”

          It is time you stop accusing Armenians of killing your family.

    • His Excellency
      February 20, 2015 at 6:30 am

      You are a nasty conspiracy theorist and a historical revisionist. No wonder you deny the Armenian genocide, which was perpetrated by Ottoman Islamists, who you sympathize with.

      • Ergun Kirlikovali
        February 21, 2015 at 11:43 pm

        … And you are the “RAT” in “ARARAT” !

  5. Marcus77
    February 17, 2015 at 12:03 am

    This is the biggest lie ever told, arMenians revolted against their neighbors (Turks)whom they lived many 100 of years with very little problems took up arms with help of Russians(promised them their own province such as Turkmenistan, Georgia so on) killed 400 to 500,000 Turkish women children and the old because the young and the strong was armed and sent to front lines where Turks were fighting 5 fronts ,British,Greeks,French,Italians and north Russian, after a long battle loosing many men Turks won their independence from these invaders. returned home and could not find their family they left behind, most were killed some were burnt to death in locked mosques .many Turks took revenge that is true but the arMenians did not do the killing were witness by their Turkish neighbors we unharmed and many lives in Turkey this day,after new Turkish government put a stop to revenge killing and they did but could not granted their safety as Turkish anger was enormous, who wouldn’t be coming home after a long battle seen your family massacred, never the less Turkish government told them they better relocate because they could not put one soldier front of every arMenian to green tee their safety, 1 million left for Syria and France where not they scream bloody murder and brained washed the young arMains to hate the Turks
    and this lie spread to hold this as a bargaining tool by certain western countries, you know as long as dead are Muslims west have no problem with it,
    arMenians grandfathers have no one else to blame but their own misconduct, 100 years ago they started to kill and they got what they deserve as their time allowed, now they cry foul, sorry you keep telling this lie to people who do not know the truth, most intelligent informed educated people know the truth that is why you still struggle 100 years to prove something is not there, GOOD LUCK

    • Orhan Tan
      February 18, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      Marcus 77, Are you kidding with the readers? Your comment starts with a distorted historical reality. You should read your history and need to learn that the Armenians were not the neighbours, but citizens of Ottoman Empire and they revolted against their state.

      • His Excellency
        February 20, 2015 at 12:20 pm

        No they didn’t. They were a persecuted minority for their ethnicity and religion, you Islamist-sympathizing fool.

  6. Anushik13249
    February 19, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    Thank you for the article Emma Noradounkian –
    If you care to learn the truth about the historical events, I suggest watching this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjJn_lytKUE

  7. Aelialicinia
    February 19, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    Like Nazis Genocide deniers are captive to an odious ideology fueled by hateful and hate filled muslim propaganda. It is very sad but not surprising given the violent muslim world view.

  8. Avetis Muradyan
    February 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Emma jan,

    Thank you for your work and I encourage you to continue.

  9. Gagik Angelo
    February 20, 2015 at 10:53 am

    As a Grand son of the Genocide survivor, I can tell, that you feel my pain, and you have done your homework well!
    Thank you!

  10. Max Segal
    October 15, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    I am fully in support of you, homeslice. I love this article. Yes, it’s been a long time, but also the demands are much lower than those with Germany. An acknowledgement is all that the world community asks for. It can’t even get THAT. Wow. I should also point out the Young Turks weren’t directly responsible. They didn’t intervene, but they werent the central planners.

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